Angus Minkiahead
Minmatar Bread Corporation
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Posted - 2012.03.02 13:24:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:
Thanks for being blunt but I've already explained that if "in order to gain the playerbase trust" I have to divulge our methods then you're simply not going to trust me. That's assuming that you personally speak for "the playerbase".
I will say that, as I've said in the past, I could only make a completely idiotic guess at how many bots there are. If I knew that they'd all be gone. I have been reminded about why I hate giving people numbers, as you are quite accurate in stating that you don't have the perspective to use them properly. The last time we did this I gave out none and everyone was all "JUST GIVE US SOME NUMBERS WE DONT NEED PERSPECTIVE WE WANT NUMBERS WE LOVE SPREADSHEETS".
We're just going to have to agree that this is as happy a medium as you're going to get for the time being and I'll apologize if that's not satisfactory to you. :)
The point I expressed was not a picture of my feelings, but of what I felt was the mood of part of the community. I bet you already knew it, but I think you don't distinguish between the "haters/naysayers" and those that are sincerely worried and would like to have some real information.
About numbers, every real world organization that fights any kind of crime usually has an estimate of how big the phenomenon is, even if they can't find the exact number for obvious reasons.
I understand that there are many reasons for you not to tell anybody about the estimations you have, but at least there should be a criterion to evaluate your work on a corporate level, at least as a way to decide how many resources must be devoted to security issues.
The contradiction I see is that you don't need to write devblogs and make fanfest presentations to do your security job (since you don't need to collect feedback on stuff you can't tell us about). So for what reasons do you write these apart from telling the playerbase "we are working hard and we are succeeding" for PR reasons?
But the hilarious part is that you can't state how you are effective and as I already said we can't understand from ourselves (since you are not helping us in this).
Good luck anyway, we'll never know how effective you are.
So, I say "good luck and go on" but frankly I can't say how much you are effective and, to me, that's all (since you won't give us any element to ). |
Angus Minkiahead
Minmatar Bread Corporation
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Posted - 2012.03.02 15:20:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:
I concur with some of the sentiments expressed that overall players have a particular attitude and we do have to come up with ways to show that there's some effective work being done. That's actually part of the challenge and it's not always the easiest because it's often based on feelings or guessing the intuitions of others.
Re-posting just to say that I had some confirmation I was looking for, that is, some really hard core botters I know were banned. This tends to make my own perception of the game better and keeps morale high, but it's a rather irrational thing.
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